Discussion:
Oldies station WCBS-FM New York City has died!
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robert casey
2005-06-03 21:25:07 UTC
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This was an oldies station for 33 years, playing 50s to 70s
music (though lately mostly 70s). They also had jocks
who used to DJ at WABC. Now it changed to
"Jack FM" playing some 80s and current crap. I like 80s
but hate the current stuff.

Looks like I'll be listening to "Kool 967" from southwest
CT. Or WKBW Buffalo at nights.
w***@netzero.net
2005-06-03 21:34:27 UTC
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You're not serious!

Well, something has to step into the void.

Gulp. Is WOGL in Philly next?
robert casey
2005-06-03 21:50:35 UTC
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You're not serious!
Well, something has to step into the void.
Gulp. Is WOGL in Philly next?
I wish I was joking, but it's for real.
They haven't killed the web site
http://www.wcbsfm.com/
just yet. We could email flame them,
but it'd just be so much spam to them anyway....
robert casey
2005-06-03 21:55:35 UTC
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Post by w***@netzero.net
You're not serious!
Well, something has to step into the void.
Gulp. Is WOGL in Philly next?
I wish I was joking, but it's for real.
They haven't killed the web site
http://www.wcbsfm.com/
just yet. We could email flame them,
but it'd just be so much spam to them anyway....
They're taking that web page down right now.
New Romantic Man
2005-06-03 21:46:14 UTC
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Me too. The '80s rocked. Not today, though. Today sucks. Well, nowhere
as much as the '50s.
New Romantic Man
2005-06-03 21:46:24 UTC
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Me too. The '80s rocked. Not today, though. Today sucks. Well, nowhere
as much as the '50s.
w***@netzero.net
2005-06-03 22:03:18 UTC
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Looks true. My God, I even begin to imagine an era where if I talk
about the loving the oldies, I'll sound like someone talking to my
generation back in the 60's about the virtues of The Andrews Sisters.

Even now, it feels further and further away from the day when Smokey &
The Miracles meant something important on AM radio and popular musical
culture of the times, and it seems like I'm in the midst of a sea of
people, more and more, to whom they mean nothing to, to a large extent.
So many haven't a clue, and will probably never get one, for The
Miracles now. That wasn't the way it was in the Delaware Valley in
1964 or 1965 or 1966 or 1967, from Moorestown to Ephrata, from
Allentown to Wilmington.

Sure the Beatles, Bob Dylan and Simon & Garfunkel, The Stones, The Who
and probably Aretha, and James Brown will always mean something in
generations beyond, and to a lesser extent The Beach Boys and Doors and
maybe a few others, and that will be it for the most part.

Someday if I talk to someone 35, much less 25, and mention the virtues
of the Lovin' Spoonful, they'll give me a quizzical look that says "I
don't have any idea who they are".

Something to think about, and this latest development will help that.
Will people enjoying The Strokes know that way, way back down the line,
something is owed to Louis Jordan? Or Big Joe Turner?

Pete Markham
Intheway
2005-06-03 22:12:27 UTC
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The oldies station in Nashville made the format change to "Jack" ("We
play what we like," whatever that means). about a month ago. A
station lower in the ratings moved to fill the oldies void and hired
most of the fired (Jacked off? e-Jack-ted?)on-air personnel.
Post by robert casey
This was an oldies station for 33 years, playing 50s to 70s
music (though lately mostly 70s). They also had jocks
who used to DJ at WABC. Now it changed to
"Jack FM" playing some 80s and current crap. I like 80s
but hate the current stuff.
Looks like I'll be listening to "Kool 967" from southwest
CT. Or WKBW Buffalo at nights.
Tregembo
2005-06-04 08:02:05 UTC
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Post by robert casey
This was an oldies station for 33 years, playing 50s to 70s
music (though lately mostly 70s). They also had jocks
who used to DJ at WABC. Now it changed to
"Jack FM" playing some 80s and current crap. I like 80s
but hate the current stuff.
From R & R.com......

Infinity Flips A Pair Of 'Jacks'

The company abandoned Oldies at legendary WCBS-FM/New York and
WJMK/Chicago at 5pm ET today in favor of the radio industry's hot new
format. WCBS PD Dave Logan and morning host Micky Dolenz both exited in the
flip. New York listeners were delivered a jolt when the station introduced
the format with Beastie Boys' "Fight for Your Right."

However, WCBS' Oldies format will live on in cyberspace, as the
website www.wcbsfm.com will carry the torch for the station's old
programming. WCBS VP/GM Chad Brown says, "New York deserves a radio station
that is as eclectic as its listeners' personalities and attitudes. We look
forward to changing the landscape of the New York radio market."

About his station's new playlist, which includes Guns N' Roses, The
Romantics and Rick James, WJMK VP/GM Dave Robbins says, "These are the songs
that we all loved, growing up, but haven't heard in years. But this station
is about more than just the music - it's about being a true reflection of
our great city's culture." WJMK's former Oldies format can also be heard
online, at www.wjmk.com.







Ray Arthur
H Glazer
2005-06-04 12:21:57 UTC
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Post by Tregembo
Post by robert casey
This was an oldies station for 33 years, playing 50s to 70s
music (though lately mostly 70s). They also had jocks
who used to DJ at WABC. Now it changed to
"Jack FM" playing some 80s and current crap. I like 80s
but hate the current stuff.
From R & R.com......
Infinity Flips A Pair Of 'Jacks'
The company abandoned Oldies at legendary WCBS-FM/New York and
WJMK/Chicago at 5pm ET today in favor of the radio industry's hot new
format. WCBS PD Dave Logan and morning host Micky Dolenz both exited in the
flip. New York listeners were delivered a jolt when the station introduced
the format with Beastie Boys' "Fight for Your Right."
However, WCBS' Oldies format will live on in cyberspace, as the
website www.wcbsfm.com will carry the torch for the station's old
programming.
With none of the personality, no doubt. You think Viacom's going to keep air
talent employed to run the Internet feed?

By the way, one of the things that's made "Jack" attractive to Viacom is
that it can run jockless for extended periods and, theoretically, its
listeners will love it for doing so, since the format positions itself as an
iPod on shuffle play.
Post by Tregembo
About his station's new playlist, which includes Guns N' Roses, The
Romantics and Rick James, WJMK VP/GM Dave Robbins says, "These are the songs
that we all loved, growing up, but haven't heard in years."
Sounds like what station VP/GMs were saying in the '80s, when the classic
rock format was hatched.

Howard
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New Romantic Man
2005-06-04 13:55:42 UTC
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The oldies station in my area (Baltimore) became a Jack station last
month.
elaich
2005-06-04 16:11:36 UTC
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Post by Tregembo
From R & R.com......
Infinity Flips A Pair Of 'Jacks'
This thing is happening all over the country. A local contemporary outlet
showed up one morning as "Mike-FM." I've heard it has different names in
different places. Another one I've heard about is "Ralph-FM."

Mike-FM is actually better than the format it replaced.
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"No sports writers were harmed during the making of this post. And what I
want to know is - why not?"
Istanbul
2005-06-04 16:27:32 UTC
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Post by elaich
Post by Tregembo
From R & R.com......
Infinity Flips A Pair Of 'Jacks'
This thing is happening all over the country. A local contemporary outlet
showed up one morning as "Mike-FM." I've heard it has different names in
different places. Another one I've heard about is "Ralph-FM."
Mike-FM is actually better than the format it replaced.
I think I know why it's called 'ralph'. :)
m***@yahoo.com
2005-06-05 00:39:45 UTC
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Post by robert casey
This was an oldies station for 33 years, playing 50s to 70s
music (though lately mostly 70s). They also had jocks
who used to DJ at WABC. Now it changed to
"Jack FM" playing some 80s and current crap. I like 80s
but hate the current stuff.
Looks like I'll be listening to "Kool 967" from southwest
CT. Or WKBW Buffalo at nights.
This is very sad news.

Unfortunately, radio stations (except for independent stations like
those owned by Pacifica) are only in it for the money. Radio stations
always change without announcements. A couple of years ago, a local
station that played classic rock for several years, changed at 7:00 the
next morning to Country...same deejays...no announcement...no
explanations...just business as usual..."Do Ya Think I'm Sexy" one day
to "She Thinks My Tractor's Sexy" the next day.

When I was a teen listening to AM radio from NYC...one day WINS (1010
AM) went from one of the biggest rock AM stations in New York(home of
Murray the K !) to an all-news format. Again, no real explanation with
maybe a couple of days notice.

We are just pawns in their games.
A***@gmail.com
2005-06-05 02:19:20 UTC
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Unfortunately, radio stations (except for independent stations like
those owned by Pacifica) are only in it for the money ... We are just
pawns in their games.
Radio is a BUSINESS. Businesses are designed to MAKE MONEY.

I'm sure if CBS-FM had big ratings and big advertising sales with an
Armenian polka format, then that's what they'd play!

32 years is a long time for any station to stick with one
format...especially in a market the size of NY.

Good to hear that they'll still play oldies on the 'net and keep the
legendary announcers. I also grew up in NY with WABC, WMCA, WWDJ...but
that was then and this is now.

At least we have options like the internet and satellite radio. We
couldn't say that 10 years ago let alone in the 60's and 70's.

Dangerous Dan
http://DanMcKay.com
s***@att.net
2005-06-05 03:44:12 UTC
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Radio is a BUSINESS. Businesses are designed to MAKE MONEY.
The public owns the airwaves. At one time, the FCC recognized anmd
respected that fact, and required the licensees of those airwaves to
"operate in the public interest, convenience, and necessity." And guess
what? When those rules existed and were enforced, radio stations still
made money!

Oh, but that wasn't good for the greedy corporate scum that came to
infest the broadcasting industry, so they had their lobbyists write the
Teleocmmunications Acts of 1996, which pretty much put the final nail
in the coffin of anything that even faintly resembled good commercial
radio.

But on the positive side, Clear Channel Communications--one of the
biggest and scummiest of the radio conglomerates--posted something like
a $2 billion loss for 2004. Here's hoping that signals the beginning of
the end of the mega-conglomerates' theft of OUR airwaves.
H Glazer
2005-06-05 04:07:25 UTC
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Radio is a BUSINESS. Businesses are designed to MAKE MONEY.
The public owns the airwaves. At one time, the FCC recognized anmd
respected that fact, and required the licensees of those airwaves to
"operate in the public interest, convenience, and necessity." And guess
what? When those rules existed and were enforced, radio stations still
made money!
And they figure they'll make more money with Jack's blend of music than they
were making with oldies. There's something wrong with that? If they don't
make more money, they'll try something else -- maybe oldies again. The
"public interest" requirements you cite had nothing to do with what kind of
music stations choose to play. Why is it a "necessity" for every city to
have at least one station that plays "I'm a Believer" and "Brown-eyed Girl"?
How is the public harmed by not having one? Every FM station in New York
could switch to a Jack format tomorrow and the FCC wouldn't give a damn. And
it wouldn't have given a damn 20 or 30 years ago -- or whenever "at one
time" was -- either.

Howard
m***@yahoo.com
2005-06-05 05:01:16 UTC
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Radio is a BUSINESS. Businesses are designed to MAKE MONEY.
The public owns the airwaves. At one time, the FCC recognized anmd
respected that fact, and required the licensees of those airwaves to
"operate in the public interest, convenience, and necessity." And guess
what? When those rules existed and were enforced, radio stations still
made money!
And they figure they'll make more money with Jack's blend of music than they
were making with oldies. There's something wrong with that? If they don't
make more money, they'll try something else -- maybe oldies again. The
"public interest" requirements you cite had nothing to do with what kind of
music stations choose to play. Why is it a "necessity" for every city to
have at least one station that plays "I'm a Believer" and "Brown-eyed Girl"?
How is the public harmed by not having one? Every FM station in New York
could switch to a Jack format tomorrow and the FCC wouldn't give a damn. And
it wouldn't have given a damn 20 or 30 years ago -- or whenever "at one
time" was -- either.
Howard
Ya gotta have heart...miles and miles and miles of heart
Tregembo
2005-06-05 05:31:29 UTC
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Radio is a BUSINESS. Businesses are designed to MAKE MONEY.
The public owns the airwaves. At one time, the FCC recognized anmd
respected that fact, and required the licensees of those airwaves to
"operate in the public interest, convenience, and necessity." And guess
what? When those rules existed and were enforced, radio stations still
made money!
And they figure they'll make more money with Jack's blend of music than they
were making with oldies. There's something wrong with that? If they don't
make more money, they'll try something else -- maybe oldies again. The
"public interest" requirements you cite had nothing to do with what kind of
music stations choose to play. Why is it a "necessity" for every city to
have at least one station that plays "I'm a Believer" and "Brown-eyed Girl"?
How is the public harmed by not having one? Every FM station in New York
could switch to a Jack format tomorrow and the FCC wouldn't give a damn. And
it wouldn't have given a damn 20 or 30 years ago -- or whenever "at one
time" was -- either.
Howard
"At one time" was prior to the Reagan deregulation of 1982.

Ray Arthur
H Glazer
2005-06-05 14:06:36 UTC
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Radio is a BUSINESS. Businesses are designed to MAKE MONEY.
The public owns the airwaves. At one time, the FCC recognized anmd
respected that fact, and required the licensees of those airwaves to
"operate in the public interest, convenience, and necessity." And guess
what? When those rules existed and were enforced, radio stations still
made money!
And they figure they'll make more money with Jack's blend of music than they
were making with oldies. There's something wrong with that? If they don't
make more money, they'll try something else -- maybe oldies again. The
"public interest" requirements you cite had nothing to do with what kind of
music stations choose to play. Why is it a "necessity" for every city to
have at least one station that plays "I'm a Believer" and "Brown-eyed Girl"?
How is the public harmed by not having one? Every FM station in New York
could switch to a Jack format tomorrow and the FCC wouldn't give a damn. And
it wouldn't have given a damn 20 or 30 years ago -- or whenever "at one
time" was -- either.
Howard
"At one time" was prior to the Reagan deregulation of 1982.
Ray Arthur
Show me where the FCC was using its power to ensure that stations didn't
change musical format, then.
Tregembo
2005-06-05 20:44:30 UTC
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Radio is a BUSINESS. Businesses are designed to MAKE MONEY.
The public owns the airwaves. At one time, the FCC recognized anmd
respected that fact, and required the licensees of those airwaves to
"operate in the public interest, convenience, and necessity." And guess
what? When those rules existed and were enforced, radio stations still
made money!
And they figure they'll make more money with Jack's blend of music than they
were making with oldies. There's something wrong with that? If they
don't
Post by Tregembo
Post by H Glazer
make more money, they'll try something else -- maybe oldies again. The
"public interest" requirements you cite had nothing to do with what
kind
of
music stations choose to play. Why is it a "necessity" for every city to
have at least one station that plays "I'm a Believer" and "Brown-eyed Girl"?
How is the public harmed by not having one? Every FM station in New York
could switch to a Jack format tomorrow and the FCC wouldn't give a
damn.
And
it wouldn't have given a damn 20 or 30 years ago -- or whenever "at one
time" was -- either.
Howard
"At one time" was prior to the Reagan deregulation of 1982.
Ray Arthur
Show me where the FCC was using its power to ensure that stations didn't
change musical format, then.
My apologies, I misread the statement to be more general. There were a few
instances where the FCC stepped into a format change when, for example, the
only classical station in a major market was about to disappear. But those
were rare occasions, my point (I see now, not directly in response) was that
prior to 1982 the FCC supervised the operations of radio stations in many
areas, causing them to stay in line with major and specific commitments of
time to their respective communities. With the 1982 Reagan FCC
deregulation, the FCC effectively got completely out of the business of
radio. The subsequent increase in ownership limits spelled the end to
successful individual ownership and to diversity in programming.

Ray Arthur
H Glazer
2005-06-05 23:36:40 UTC
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Radio is a BUSINESS. Businesses are designed to MAKE MONEY.
The public owns the airwaves. At one time, the FCC recognized anmd
respected that fact, and required the licensees of those airwaves to
"operate in the public interest, convenience, and necessity." And guess
what? When those rules existed and were enforced, radio stations still
made money!
And they figure they'll make more money with Jack's blend of music
than
Post by Tregembo
Post by H Glazer
Post by Tregembo
Post by H Glazer
they
were making with oldies. There's something wrong with that? If they
don't
Post by Tregembo
Post by H Glazer
make more money, they'll try something else -- maybe oldies again. The
"public interest" requirements you cite had nothing to do with what
kind
of
music stations choose to play. Why is it a "necessity" for every city to
have at least one station that plays "I'm a Believer" and "Brown-eyed Girl"?
How is the public harmed by not having one? Every FM station in New York
could switch to a Jack format tomorrow and the FCC wouldn't give a
damn.
And
it wouldn't have given a damn 20 or 30 years ago -- or whenever "at one
time" was -- either.
Howard
"At one time" was prior to the Reagan deregulation of 1982.
Ray Arthur
Show me where the FCC was using its power to ensure that stations didn't
change musical format, then.
My apologies, I misread the statement to be more general. There were a few
instances where the FCC stepped into a format change when, for example, the
only classical station in a major market was about to disappear. But those
were rare occasions, my point (I see now, not directly in response) was that
prior to 1982 the FCC supervised the operations of radio stations in many
areas, causing them to stay in line with major and specific commitments of
time to their respective communities.
Right. What happened after 1982 was that the blocks of public service
programming, which most stations ran on Sundays, morning and night, largely
disappeared. A few FM stations here in Connecticut still have a half-hour
"public affairs" show on Sunday morning, but most of them just stay
in-format, running whatever sort of music they usually play, or occasionally
a specialty music show, either local or syndicated. In Boston, contemporary
country WKLB plays country oldies on Sunday mornings; in Hartford, oldies
WDRC-FM runs "Beatle Brunch," or at least they did last year; not sure if
they still are.

So, do you miss "City Council This Week," "Religious Roundtable" and "Meet
the Mayor"?

Howard
Tregembo
2005-06-06 02:39:05 UTC
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So, do you miss "City Council This Week," "Religious Roundtable" and "Meet
the Mayor"?
Howard
lol

In my current position I have to attend the local City Council, and
departmental, meetings and meet with the Mayor on a regular basis anyway.

One of the things that THAT dereg. created was a total lack of community
involvement on any level. IMO, whether that positively or negatively
affected the programming of any particular radio station, it was good and
important for the stations and their communities. After the "Fairness
Doctrine" was lifted it was no holds barred.

Ray Arthur
s***@att.net
2005-06-06 01:59:49 UTC
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Show me where the FCC was using its power to ensure that stations didn't change musical format, then.
You just don't get it, do you?

Having spent--or should I say, wasted--five years of my life working in
commercial radio, I know a few things about the medium, so let me give
you some history.

At one time, a single company was forbidden to own more than one radio
station in a single market, and they could not own more than six
stations nationally. These rules ensured that the various stations in a
single market would sound very different from one another in an attempt
to gain listeners. It also guaranteed that these stations would, by and
large, program to their local community--if not the music, then at
least the news, public affairs programs, advertisements, and assorted
special presentations. Those mom-and-pop radio stations were locally
owned and therefore an integral part of their community. Much of the
money a station made went back into the community it served. No, the
FCC did not tell these stations what formats they could have, but it
made rules ensuring that a station operated "in the public interest,
convenience, and necessity." After all, the public owned the airwaves
and was entitled to such service.

When Reagan-era deregulation began, the number of radio-station owners
started a dramatic decrease. Now, those owners lived nowhere near the
communities their stations "served," nor did they give a damn about
said communities. Local businesses could no longer afford to advertise
on those stations because the rates skyrocketed as the broadcasting
industry courted big-money national sponsors like, say, Wal-Mart. Any
money a station made was sucked out of the community and plunked down
into the corporation's coffers hundreds of miles away. The only ones
who benefitted were the conglomerate's stockholders, most of whom
already had more cash than they could conceivably spend in a lifetime.

These conglomerates also eliminated hundreds of thousands of on-air
jobs, replacing them with automation, network feeds, and what they call
"virtual radio," whose announcers sound local but are not. The
playlists became increasingly narrower, and radio sounded exactly the
same from coast to coast. No matter where in America you were, not only
would you hear the same handful of played-to-death chart hits, but the
same on-air voices as well. And, needless to say, the same
advertisements.

In 1992, the FCC ruled that a single company could now own six stations
in a single market and 30 stations nationally. Four years later, we got
the Telecommunications Act of 1996--which was literally written by
broadcast-industry lobbyists--and live local radio was as good as dead.

Do you honestly think radio wasn't better before the onset of
deregulation? If so, you're living in denial, pal.
m***@yahoo.com
2005-06-05 04:27:55 UTC
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Unfortunately, radio stations (except for independent stations like
those owned by Pacifica) are only in it for the money ... We are just
pawns in their games.
Radio is a BUSINESS. Businesses are designed to MAKE MONEY.
I'm sure if CBS-FM had big ratings and big advertising sales with an
Armenian polka format, then that's what they'd play!
32 years is a long time for any station to stick with one
format...especially in a market the size of NY.
Good to hear that they'll still play oldies on the 'net and keep the
legendary announcers. I also grew up in NY with WABC, WMCA, WWDJ...but
that was then and this is now.
At least we have options like the internet and satellite radio. We
couldn't say that 10 years ago let alone in the 60's and 70's.
Dangerous Dan
http://DanMcKay.com
Thank you for the Economics 101, Subsection:Capitalism lecture.

I'm gonna rush out and buy sow bellies.
rhodedendron
2005-06-05 04:44:00 UTC
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Unfortunately, radio stations (except for independent stations like
those owned by Pacifica) are only in it for the money ... We are just
pawns in their games.
Radio is a BUSINESS. Businesses are designed to MAKE MONEY.
I'm sure if CBS-FM had big ratings and big advertising sales with an
Armenian polka format, then that's what they'd play!
32 years is a long time for any station to stick with one
format...especially in a market the size of NY.
Good to hear that they'll still play oldies on the 'net and keep the
legendary announcers. I also grew up in NY with WABC, WMCA, WWDJ...but
that was then and this is now.
At least we have options like the internet and satellite radio. We
couldn't say that 10 years ago let alone in the 60's and 70's.
Dangerous Dan
http://DanMcKay.com
Thank you for the Economics 101, Subsection:Capitalism lecture.
I'm gonna rush out and buy sow bellies.
No, no, now marcus, he/she makes some salient points. I may not like the
reality but it is true, in part.

It is true that any station that keeps a 30 year format was lucky, they had
a good run. But it is indeed a business, and that's why I got out of radio.
It turned into another corporation and not people who loved and lived
broadcasting.

And yes, we do have other options now that are only recently available,
Internet wise.

Pacifica is pretty much public radio, no? At least here in the SF Bay area
it is.
m***@yahoo.com
2005-06-05 05:23:53 UTC
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Unfortunately, radio stations (except for independent stations like
those owned by Pacifica) are only in it for the money ... We are just
pawns in their games.
Radio is a BUSINESS. Businesses are designed to MAKE MONEY.
I'm sure if CBS-FM had big ratings and big advertising sales with an
Armenian polka format, then that's what they'd play!
32 years is a long time for any station to stick with one
format...especially in a market the size of NY.
Good to hear that they'll still play oldies on the 'net and keep the
legendary announcers. I also grew up in NY with WABC, WMCA, WWDJ...but
that was then and this is now.
At least we have options like the internet and satellite radio. We
couldn't say that 10 years ago let alone in the 60's and 70's.
Dangerous Dan
http://DanMcKay.com
Thank you for the Economics 101, Subsection:Capitalism lecture.
I'm gonna rush out and buy sow bellies.
No, no, now marcus, he/she makes some salient points. I may not like the
reality but it is true, in part.
It is true that any station that keeps a 30 year format was lucky, they had
a good run. But it is indeed a business, and that's why I got out of radio.
It turned into another corporation and not people who loved and lived
broadcasting.
And that's why I'm not a deejay.
Post by rhodedendron
And yes, we do have other options now that are only recently available,
Internet wise.
Pacifica is pretty much public radio, no? At least here in the SF Bay area
it is.
It's "listener-sponsored".
rhodedendron
2005-06-05 05:36:46 UTC
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Post by m***@yahoo.com
Unfortunately, radio stations (except for independent stations like
those owned by Pacifica) are only in it for the money ... We are just
pawns in their games.
Radio is a BUSINESS. Businesses are designed to MAKE MONEY.
I'm sure if CBS-FM had big ratings and big advertising sales with an
Armenian polka format, then that's what they'd play!
32 years is a long time for any station to stick with one
format...especially in a market the size of NY.
Good to hear that they'll still play oldies on the 'net and keep the
legendary announcers. I also grew up in NY with WABC, WMCA, WWDJ...but
that was then and this is now.
At least we have options like the internet and satellite radio. We
couldn't say that 10 years ago let alone in the 60's and 70's.
Dangerous Dan
http://DanMcKay.com
Thank you for the Economics 101, Subsection:Capitalism lecture.
I'm gonna rush out and buy sow bellies.
No, no, now marcus, he/she makes some salient points. I may not like the
reality but it is true, in part.
It is true that any station that keeps a 30 year format was lucky, they had
a good run. But it is indeed a business, and that's why I got out of radio.
It turned into another corporation and not people who loved and lived
broadcasting.
And that's why I'm not a deejay.
Exactly. Same here.

I was extremely lucky that even as late as the eighties going into the
nineties every single station I worked at I programmed my own show from what
was available in the library. One station had a very loose clock, one the
other dj's never followed but I thought worked well for the music flow.

But now? Automation and computers. No humans needed except the one to push
the button.
Post by m***@yahoo.com
Post by rhodedendron
And yes, we do have other options now that are only recently available,
Internet wise.
Pacifica is pretty much public radio, no? At least here in the SF Bay area
it is.
It's "listener-sponsored".
Yes. OK, plus the scholarly/radical tone (to the Bezerkely KPFA anyway )
does lend a PBS feel (except for the editorial conent).
m***@yahoo.com
2005-06-05 05:40:59 UTC
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Post by rhodedendron
Post by m***@yahoo.com
Post by rhodedendron
Post by m***@yahoo.com
Post by A***@gmail.com
Post by m***@yahoo.com
Unfortunately, radio stations (except for independent stations like
those owned by Pacifica) are only in it for the money ... We are just
pawns in their games.
Radio is a BUSINESS. Businesses are designed to MAKE MONEY.
I'm sure if CBS-FM had big ratings and big advertising sales with an
Armenian polka format, then that's what they'd play!
32 years is a long time for any station to stick with one
format...especially in a market the size of NY.
Good to hear that they'll still play oldies on the 'net and keep the
legendary announcers. I also grew up in NY with WABC, WMCA, WWDJ...but
that was then and this is now.
At least we have options like the internet and satellite radio. We
couldn't say that 10 years ago let alone in the 60's and 70's.
Dangerous Dan
http://DanMcKay.com
Thank you for the Economics 101, Subsection:Capitalism lecture.
I'm gonna rush out and buy sow bellies.
No, no, now marcus, he/she makes some salient points. I may not like the
reality but it is true, in part.
It is true that any station that keeps a 30 year format was lucky, they had
a good run. But it is indeed a business, and that's why I got out of radio.
It turned into another corporation and not people who loved and lived
broadcasting.
And that's why I'm not a deejay.
Exactly. Same here.
I was extremely lucky that even as late as the eighties going into the
nineties every single station I worked at I programmed my own show from what
was available in the library. One station had a very loose clock, one the
other dj's never followed but I thought worked well for the music flow.
But now? Automation and computers. No humans needed except the one to push
the button.
Post by m***@yahoo.com
Post by rhodedendron
And yes, we do have other options now that are only recently available,
Internet wise.
Pacifica is pretty much public radio, no? At least here in the SF Bay area
it is.
It's "listener-sponsored".
Yes. OK, plus the scholarly/radical tone (to the Bezerkely KPFA anyway )
does lend a PBS feel (except for the editorial conent).
I was weaned on WBAI-FM in NYC.
cherylharrell@yahoo.com
2005-06-05 08:22:59 UTC
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Ah, this explains why on a recent trip to the DC area I couldn't find
the oldies channel from Baltimore. Thank God they have WBIG there & the
oldies channel from Fredricksburg, VA. This is sad news as in the past
when I went to NY I enjoyed listening to WCBS & WKBW ( & WABC & WNBC
when they were around) & also Micky Dolenz of the Monkees will now lose
his radio show on there.. Haven't been there in yrs tho. This is sad
having lost WSAI to liberal talk. Thank God for WKBW. I hope they never
switch formats. I'm so glad Richmond finally got an oldies station
back. It stunk having no oldies stations in the area. So I had to tune
in to Norfolk or WKBW or WSAI for the oldies. Radio stations seem to
care more about money than listeners & it's a shame. I've seen so many
good stations switch from oldies to other formats over the yrs,
everything from WLEE & WNBC & WABC etc. I feel for you folks in the NY
area....

Peace,

Cheryl
S***@aol.com
2005-06-05 13:36:27 UTC
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***@yahoo.com wrote:

I've seen so many
Post by ***@yahoo.com
good stations switch from oldies to other formats over the yrs,
everything from WLEE & WNBC & WABC etc.
Peace,
Cheryl
That should tell you something Cheryl. The oldies (50s and 60s) format
is just not that popular with enough people at this point. As most
people grow into their 50s and 60s they start to lose interest in music
and listen to mainly news and talk radio.

I don't see why people care so much about what some radio station
plays. Just buy the music that you want to listen to and play it
yourself, in your house, your car, etc....why do you need the radio to
play it for you?
m***@yahoo.com
2005-06-05 14:23:46 UTC
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Post by ***@yahoo.com
I've seen so many
Post by ***@yahoo.com
good stations switch from oldies to other formats over the yrs,
everything from WLEE & WNBC & WABC etc.
Peace,
Cheryl
That should tell you something Cheryl. The oldies (50s and 60s) format
is just not that popular with enough people at this point. As most
people grow into their 50s and 60s they start to lose interest in music
and listen to mainly news and talk radio.
I don't think that is true. Most people in their 50s and so on,
outgrew the need or desire to keep up with music after their 20s or
early 30s. They still like the music they grew up with and of their
young adulthood.

The radio industry would rather cater to our youth-driven advertising
culture, ya know...condemn them out of one side of their mouths, cajole
them into buying things out of the other side of their mouths,,, and
have both hands ready to pick their pockets.
Brett A. Pasternack
2005-06-07 05:23:12 UTC
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Post by ***@yahoo.com
I've seen so many
Post by ***@yahoo.com
good stations switch from oldies to other formats over the yrs,
everything from WLEE & WNBC & WABC etc.
Peace,
Cheryl
That should tell you something Cheryl. The oldies (50s and 60s) format
is just not that popular with enough people at this point. As most
people grow into their 50s and 60s they start to lose interest in music
and listen to mainly news and talk radio.
Actually, no, that's not true. Ratings for oldies stations have stayed
fairly steady. The problem isn't that they've lost listeners; it's that
the listeners have gotten older, and most advertising agencies have no
interest in reaching 55+ consumers, whom they believe are not influenced
by advertising.
Post by ***@yahoo.com
I don't see why people care so much about what some radio station
plays. Just buy the music that you want to listen to and play it
yourself, in your house, your car, etc....why do you need the radio to
play it for you?
My mp3 player rarely tells me something about the music I didn't already
know, cracks a funny joke, or alerts me to a developing traffic or
whether problem. (I was going to add "plays a song I had forgotten
about", but, then, it's been a while since most music radio station have
done that, either.)
rhodedendron
2005-06-05 15:57:21 UTC
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Post by ***@yahoo.com
Ah, this explains why on a recent trip to the DC area I couldn't find
the oldies channel from Baltimore. Thank God they have WBIG there & the
oldies channel from Fredricksburg, VA. This is sad news as in the past
when I went to NY I enjoyed listening to WCBS & WKBW ( & WABC & WNBC
when they were around) & also Micky Dolenz of the Monkees will now lose
his radio show on there.. Haven't been there in yrs tho. This is sad
having lost WSAI to liberal talk. Thank God for WKBW. I hope they never
switch formats. I'm so glad Richmond finally got an oldies station
back. It stunk having no oldies stations in the area. So I had to tune
in to Norfolk or WKBW or WSAI for the oldies. Radio stations seem to
care more about money than listeners & it's a shame. I've seen so many
good stations switch from oldies to other formats over the yrs,
everything from WLEE & WNBC & WABC etc. I feel for you folks in the NY
area....
Peace,
Cheryl
Our 30+ year rock statiion, KSJO, went Spanish some months ago. Doubly sad
for me since I worked there for years. There was even a 'wake' held a few
months ago by people associated with it over the decades.

I hate seeing legacy stations changed on a whim.
DianeE
2005-06-05 22:18:52 UTC
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....I feel for you folks in the NY
area....
---------
Well, speaking as a New Yorker, I won't miss CBS-FM, because I stopped
listening to it 8 or 10 years ago. They weren't playing anything
*interesting* any more, just the same old shit day in and day out, with more
70s pop creeping in every day.

I miss the radio station that *used* to be CBS-FM in the 1980s, but its
memory has faded by now.

And one more comment: I am surprised, though relieved, that Clear Channel
management hasn't found a way to blame the demise of CBS-FM on internet file
sharing.

DianeE
H Glazer
2005-06-05 23:39:58 UTC
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Post by DianeE
....I feel for you folks in the NY
area....
---------
Well, speaking as a New Yorker, I won't miss CBS-FM, because I stopped
listening to it 8 or 10 years ago. They weren't playing anything
*interesting* any more, just the same old shit day in and day out, with more
70s pop creeping in every day.
I miss the radio station that *used* to be CBS-FM in the 1980s, but its
memory has faded by now.
And one more comment: I am surprised, though relieved, that Clear Channel
management hasn't found a way to blame the demise of CBS-FM on internet file
sharing.
DianeE
WCBS-FM is owned by Infinity Broadcasting, a division of Viacom, not Clear
Channel. Keep your demons straight.

Howard
s***@att.net
2005-06-06 00:33:15 UTC
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Post by H Glazer
WCBS-FM is owned by Infinity Broadcasting, a division of Viacom, not Clear
Channel. Keep your demons straight.
Same demon; it just has several different heads, like the hyrda.
DianeE
2005-06-06 02:03:03 UTC
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Post by H Glazer
Post by DianeE
And one more comment: I am surprised, though relieved, that Clear Channel
management hasn't found a way to blame the demise of CBS-FM on internet
file
Post by DianeE
sharing.
WCBS-FM is owned by Infinity Broadcasting, a division of Viacom, not Clear
Channel. Keep your demons straight.
---------
Sorry. I actually did know that, but someone mentioned Clear Channel earlier
in the thread.

What's really strange is that NYC has 2 competing all-news stations (WCBS880
and 1010 WINS) which are *both* owned by Infinity. I never could figure
that out. It's not like they're appealing to different audiences, either.

DianeE
Brett A. Pasternack
2005-06-07 05:31:51 UTC
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Post by s***@att.net
Post by H Glazer
Post by DianeE
And one more comment: I am surprised, though relieved, that Clear
Channel
Post by H Glazer
Post by DianeE
management hasn't found a way to blame the demise of CBS-FM on internet
file
Post by DianeE
sharing.
WCBS-FM is owned by Infinity Broadcasting, a division of Viacom, not Clear
Channel. Keep your demons straight.
---------
Sorry. I actually did know that, but someone mentioned Clear Channel earlier
in the thread.
What's really strange is that NYC has 2 competing all-news stations (WCBS880
and 1010 WINS) which are *both* owned by Infinity. I never could figure
that out. It's not like they're appealing to different audiences, either.
They appeal to somewhat different audiences, in that WINS is more geared
to listeners in the city, and WCBS more to listeners in the suburbs
(different traffic, more NJ/CT/national news, and so on).

But that's not why they keep them both in the same format. They keep
them both in the same format because it allows them to effectively hold
a monopoly on the format. With two stations, there's little chance for a
third to make any headway against them, so listeners have no choice, nor
do advertisers who wish to reach a news audience.

Also, the two stations can share some facilities/staff and thereby save
money versus to independent operations.
StatCat
2005-06-07 20:35:00 UTC
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When I heard about this I found it really shocking since WCBS is all I'd
listen to if I had the radio on. It's just another step to bury older
music. It's pretty pathetic since there's really not another outlet for
it on basic radio. Radio is bad enough these days but I've lost all
faith now.
Bob Radil
2005-06-05 14:04:46 UTC
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Post by A***@gmail.com
Post by m***@yahoo.com
Unfortunately, radio stations (except for independent stations like
those owned by Pacifica) are only in it for the money ... We are just
pawns in their games.
Radio is a BUSINESS. Businesses are designed to MAKE MONEY.
I'm sure if CBS-FM had big ratings and big advertising sales with an
Armenian polka format, then that's what they'd play!
True, but what doesn't make sense is that Infinity has other less
successful stations that they could have tried jack on. WCBS-FM,
although not at their peak, was still doing ok. What they did was to
tear down a legendary station with legendary personalities and replace
it with nothing more than Winamp on steroids.
Post by A***@gmail.com
32 years is a long time for any station to stick with one
format...especially in a market the size of NY.
Good to hear that they'll still play oldies on the 'net and keep the
legendary announcers. I also grew up in NY with WABC, WMCA, WWDJ...but
that was then and this is now.
Doubtful that will last.
Post by A***@gmail.com
At least we have options like the internet and satellite radio. We
couldn't say that 10 years ago let alone in the 60's and 70's.
Dangerous Dan
http://DanMcKay.com
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elaich
2005-06-05 17:18:34 UTC
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Post by Bob Radil
True, but what doesn't make sense is that Infinity has other less
successful stations that they could have tried jack on. WCBS-FM,
although not at their peak, was still doing ok. What they did was to
tear down a legendary station with legendary personalities and replace
it with nothing more than Winamp on steroids.
Isn't that exactly what was done to WABC in 1981, except that the new
format was talk?
Bob Radil
2005-06-06 14:12:42 UTC
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<<Isn't that exactly what was done to WABC in 1981, except that the new

format was talk?
Different situation. It was spring, 1982. WABC had slipped in the
ratings. It was a logical move to go to talk. There was no secrecy
involved. Not only were the personalities able to say their goodbyes,
but they had a big going away tribute.
This jack format, good or bad, could have been tried on another station
that was not as sucsessful.

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H Glazer
2005-06-06 14:23:11 UTC
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Post by Bob Radil
<<Isn't that exactly what was done to WABC in 1981, except that the new
format was talk?
Different situation. It was spring, 1982. WABC had slipped in the
ratings. It was a logical move to go to talk. There was no secrecy
involved. Not only were the personalities able to say their goodbyes,
but they had a big going away tribute.
This jack format, good or bad, could have been tried on another station
that was not as sucsessful.
But, if Madison Avenue regards over-45 listeners as poison, what other
Infinity property on New York's FM dial would have been better to blow up?
"Successful" doesn't mean total listeners, it means total listeners in the
impulse-buying demographic.

Howard

PS -- Could Infinity be thinking of "Jack"ing WTIC-FM in Hartford? Not
exactly an old fogey station, but its audience isn't as young as WZMX's
(hip-hop) or as female as WRCH's (soft AC). Or -- shudder -- is this the
future of Buckley's WDRC-FM?
robert casey
2005-06-07 03:20:48 UTC
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Post by H Glazer
But, if Madison Avenue regards over-45 listeners as poison, what other
Infinity property on New York's FM dial would have been better to blow up?
"Successful" doesn't mean total listeners, it means total listeners in the
impulse-buying demographic.
I know someone who owns an advertising agency (mostly print
media and trade shows, not radio) but he said that the older
demographic should still be sellable. Not to Coke or Pepsi
or Nike, but to high end auto makers and other high ticket items
kids cannot afford.
S***@aol.com
2005-06-07 03:30:35 UTC
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Post by robert casey
Post by H Glazer
But, if Madison Avenue regards over-45 listeners as poison, what other
Infinity property on New York's FM dial would have been better to blow up?
"Successful" doesn't mean total listeners, it means total listeners in the
impulse-buying demographic.
I know someone who owns an advertising agency (mostly print
media and trade shows, not radio) but he said that the older
demographic should still be sellable. Not to Coke or Pepsi
or Nike, but to high end auto makers and other high ticket items
kids cannot afford.
Yes, and they reach their target audience by advertising on Newsradio
and talk radio, and TV shows like 60 Minutes.
Todd Lucas
2005-06-07 19:59:03 UTC
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Post by H Glazer
PS -- Could Infinity be thinking of "Jack"ing WTIC-FM in Hartford? Not
exactly an old fogey station, but its audience isn't as young as WZMX's
(hip-hop) or as female as WRCH's (soft AC). Or -- shudder -- is this the
future of Buckley's WDRC-FM?
It's happened in Indianapolis, where Jack FM has replaced oldies at
WGLD 104.5 FM. Caught wind of this when I was up there for Memorial
Day weekend.

There was also a Hank FM, I believe, that was a country music outlet.
It had replaced Lite Rock 97.1FM WENS, which had been around since
1981.

Todd
DianeE
2005-06-07 21:29:48 UTC
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Todd! Where have you been? We've missed you!
DianeE
-----------------
Post by Todd Lucas
Post by H Glazer
PS -- Could Infinity be thinking of "Jack"ing WTIC-FM in Hartford? Not
exactly an old fogey station, but its audience isn't as young as WZMX's
(hip-hop) or as female as WRCH's (soft AC). Or -- shudder -- is this the
future of Buckley's WDRC-FM?
It's happened in Indianapolis, where Jack FM has replaced oldies at
WGLD 104.5 FM. Caught wind of this when I was up there for Memorial
Day weekend.
There was also a Hank FM, I believe, that was a country music outlet.
It had replaced Lite Rock 97.1FM WENS, which had been around since
1981.
Todd
Todd Lucas
2005-06-09 04:35:52 UTC
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We finally tossed the old webtv and bought a computer a few months ago.
It's great but now I have to go through Google to get here. I've more
or less been lazy about it.

Todd
Bob Radil
2005-06-08 04:58:55 UTC
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Post by Todd Lucas
It's happened in Indianapolis, where Jack FM has replaced oldies at
WGLD 104.5 FM. Caught wind of this when I was up there for Memorial
Day weekend.
Todd
Were you down wind???

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Todd Lucas
2005-06-09 04:30:17 UTC
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Unfortunately, yes.

Todd
Bob Radil
2005-06-08 05:04:43 UTC
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Post by H Glazer
But, if Madison Avenue regards over-45 listeners as poison, what other
Infinity property on New York's FM dial would have been better to blow
up?
"Successful" doesn't mean total listeners, it means total listeners in
the
impulse-buying demographic.

Howard >>


Successful means dollar$$ coming into the station. WCBS-FM had 4 times
the incoming cash as WNEW-FM. Which station would you change?

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s***@att.net
2005-06-09 04:07:49 UTC
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Post by H Glazer
PS -- Could Infinity be thinking of "Jack"ing WTIC-FM in Hartford? Not
exactly an old fogey station, but its audience isn't as young as WZMX's
(hip-hop) or as female as WRCH's (soft AC). Or -- shudder -- is this the
future of Buckley's WDRC-FM?
Oh, are you a local boy? I live in the Hartford area myself. In fact, I
worked
part-time at WRCH for five agonizing years!

P.S. WDRC-FM ceased to be a good radio station at least a decade ago.
H Glazer
2005-06-09 15:30:16 UTC
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Post by s***@att.net
Post by H Glazer
PS -- Could Infinity be thinking of "Jack"ing WTIC-FM in Hartford? Not
exactly an old fogey station, but its audience isn't as young as WZMX's
(hip-hop) or as female as WRCH's (soft AC). Or -- shudder -- is this the
future of Buckley's WDRC-FM?
Oh, are you a local boy? I live in the Hartford area myself. In fact, I
worked
part-time at WRCH for five agonizing years!
Yup, I'm south of you but still in the Hartford-New Haven metroplex. I'm not
in radio, but my sympathies for having to hang around any Lite station for
an extended period of time!
Post by s***@att.net
P.S. WDRC-FM ceased to be a good radio station at least a decade ago.
Really? I thought, for depth of playlist and "oh, wow" potential, DRC peaked
about five years ago then gradually became more conventional until its
rebranding as "Big Hits of the '60s and '70s" last September effectively
trimmed the playlist by at least 200 songs. DRC wasn't perfect, but I looked
forward to the two dozen or so songs it played that I'd never hear on WODS
in Boston: Billy Stewart's "Summertime," the Beatles' "She's a Woman," Gene
Pitney's "Town Without Pity," etc. I still hear occasional non-standard
stuff on the weekend request shows and Jack Carney's 7-to-midnight shift,
but the absence of pre-Beatles material is painfully noticeable the rest of
the day, especially all the old Pitney stuff they used to play as Gene's
"hometown station." Now the only thing about DRC that reminds you that the
station is in Connecticut is the occasional spin of the Wildweeds' "No Good
to Cry."

Howard

S***@aol.com
2005-06-06 15:56:33 UTC
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Post by Bob Radil
<<Isn't that exactly what was done to WABC in 1981, except that the new
format was talk?
Different situation. It was spring, 1982. WABC had slipped in the
ratings. It was a logical move to go to talk. There was no secrecy
involved. Not only were the personalities able to say their goodbyes,
but they had a big going away tribute.
This jack format, good or bad, could have been tried on another station
that was not as sucsessful.
Plus music was just a dying format on AM radio at that time. The sound
was much better on FM. In ABC's heyday there was not much FM radio yet,
but as time went by it became apparent that AM stations were not going
to be able to thrive with a music format.
Uni
2005-06-07 01:23:01 UTC
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Post by S***@aol.com
Post by Bob Radil
<<Isn't that exactly what was done to WABC in 1981, except that the new
format was talk?
Different situation. It was spring, 1982. WABC had slipped in the
ratings. It was a logical move to go to talk. There was no secrecy
involved. Not only were the personalities able to say their goodbyes,
but they had a big going away tribute.
This jack format, good or bad, could have been tried on another station
that was not as sucsessful.
Plus music was just a dying format on AM radio at that time. The sound
was much better on FM. In ABC's heyday there was not much FM radio yet,
but as time went by it became apparent that AM stations were not going
to be able to thrive with a music format.
Here's the way I see things. In stores, it's becoming harder and harder
to find "oldies". If the store can't make money selling just oldies, why
would broadcast stations? The oldie stations I'm aware of, play the
same older songs over and over and over. Not much variety. That's sad.

Uni
Tregembo
2005-06-07 05:36:16 UTC
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Here's the way I see things. In stores, it's becoming harder and harder to
find "oldies". If the store can't make money selling just oldies, why
would broadcast stations? The oldie stations I'm aware of, play the same
older songs over and over and over. Not much variety. That's sad.
Uni
Radio formats are always adapting to catch up with the ever-changing
demographics.

In the '60's & '70's Top 40 was predominate with kids
AC with adults
MOR with old folks

Today, the Music of your Life stations...your grandparents stations...are
mixing '50's, '60's & '70's hits that were in the Top 40 power rotation 35
years ago. And they're playing very little Big Bands & Bing Crosby because
that audience (aside from not having a high percentage of disposable income)
is almost all dead.

From a radio musical formatic standpoint, we ARE our parents.

Ray Arthur
x***@yahoo.com
2005-06-07 22:11:54 UTC
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Coupla questions.

What was the talent lineup just before they dumped the format?

And in the flurry of memoes that ensued about ten minutes before the
change, one of the CBS guys, after noting there were no sacred cows
anymore, wondered how Arbitron will respond to the diary responses of
WCBS-FM streaming while Jack plays whatever it wants. Are the ratings
services measuring online audiences?

What a damn shame.

Stephen
Tregembo
2005-06-08 01:17:55 UTC
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From the N Y POST's Page Six.com......

VIACOM'S Les Moonves defended the decision to can "Cousin Brucie" Morrow,
Mickey Dolenz and Harry Harrison at WCBS-FM, which switched Friday from
oldies to the new "Jack FM" format. At yesterday's Deutsche Bank Securities
Media Conference, Moonves, Viacom copresident and co-COO, described it to
analysts as "sort of like your own iPod," The Post's John Mainelli reports.
"It does not have DJs. It has 1,200 of your top songs. It's a format that
works exceedingly well." He said he was amazed at the public reaction: "God,
it seemed like we had shot somebody when we changed the WCBS-FM format."



Ray Arthur
S***@aol.com
2005-06-05 06:40:35 UTC
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Unfortunately, radio stations (except for independent stations like
those owned by Pacifica) are only in it for the money.
And just what do you think they should be in it for?

If you owned a multi-million dollar radio station, what would you do,
lose money so that you could play what you personally felt was better
music?
rhodedendron
2005-06-05 06:45:35 UTC
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Post by m***@yahoo.com
Unfortunately, radio stations (except for independent stations like
those owned by Pacifica) are only in it for the money.
And just what do you think they should be in it for?
If you owned a multi-million dollar radio station, what would you do,
lose money so that you could play what you personally felt was better
music?
The bulk of stations in the US are not multi-million dollar bookers. There
used to be mom and pop broadcasters. No more.
m***@yahoo.com
2005-06-05 14:18:59 UTC
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Post by m***@yahoo.com
Unfortunately, radio stations (except for independent stations like
those owned by Pacifica) are only in it for the money.
And just what do you think they should be in it for?
If you owned a multi-million dollar radio station, what would you do,
lose money so that you could play what you personally felt was better
music?
Yes
S***@aol.com
2005-06-05 14:28:49 UTC
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Post by m***@yahoo.com
Unfortunately, radio stations (except for independent stations like
those owned by Pacifica) are only in it for the money.
And just what do you think they should be in it for?
If you owned a multi-million dollar radio station, what would you do,
lose money so that you could play what you personally felt was better
music?
Yes
Then you wouldn't own the station for long.

Radio has nothing to do with music. The advent of TV forced radio into
playing music rather than presenting the types of programming that was
popular on the radio in the pre-television days. It is not radio
responsibility to play music for the public.

Commercial radio is a business, not an outlet for somebody to play
music that they like. As the internet and satellite radio continue to
grow, there may come a day when there's more talk and news on radio
than there is music on radio.

As time goes by less and less people remember old style Top 40 DJs, and
most people would prefer just to hear continuous music without any DJ
banter.

If having somebody else play music for you is THAT important to you,
and if you really would lose money to play music that you like, why
don't you just get yourself satellite radio at home and in your car,
and you'll hear all the oldies that you want around the clock with no
commercials.

It'll be a lot cheaper than the losses you would suffer buying CBS-FM
and playing what you like.
m***@yahoo.com
2005-06-05 15:31:32 UTC
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Radio has nothing to do with music.
Hmmm, let's read that a couple of times, and ponder it awhile, boys and
girls...shall we?
rhodedendron
2005-06-05 16:01:05 UTC
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Radio has nothing to do with music.
Hmmm, let's read that a couple of times, and ponder it awhile, boys and
girls...shall we?
Welllll....at its heart it is quite true.

Magazines, newspapers, radio, TV, the Internet....media exists almost soley
as an advertising medium. The content that brings the ears and eyeballs is
not as important as the perception to advertisers that this is a successful
format being paid attention to by the proper demographics.

No, radio really isn't about music, sadly enough. But it never was.
m***@yahoo.com
2005-06-05 16:07:04 UTC
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Radio has nothing to do with music.
Hmmm, let's read that a couple of times, and ponder it awhile, boys and
girls...shall we?
Welllll....at its heart it is quite true.
Magazines, newspapers, radio, TV, the Internet....media exists almost soley
as an advertising medium. The content that brings the ears and eyeballs is
not as important as the perception to advertisers that this is a successful
format being paid attention to by the proper demographics.
No, radio really isn't about music, sadly enough. But it never was.
Sigh....another reason why I never became a deejay. ;-)
rhodedendron
2005-06-05 16:50:50 UTC
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Post by S***@aol.com
Radio has nothing to do with music.
Hmmm, let's read that a couple of times, and ponder it awhile, boys and
girls...shall we?
Welllll....at its heart it is quite true.
Magazines, newspapers, radio, TV, the Internet....media exists almost soley
as an advertising medium. The content that brings the ears and eyeballs is
not as important as the perception to advertisers that this is a successful
format being paid attention to by the proper demographics.
No, radio really isn't about music, sadly enough. But it never was.
Sigh....another reason why I never became a deejay. ;-)
It IS disheartening when you are playing a muzic you love and believe in and
it's treated like a commodity and one day you're just off the air, no
advance word (they don't trust jocks not to go on the air and say naughty
things). Boom. It's a flaky biz, always has been.
j***@hvc.rr.com
2005-06-05 16:14:16 UTC
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Radio has nothing to do with music.
Hmmm, let's read that a couple of times, and ponder it awhile, boys and
girls...shall we?
Let's read it in context (i.e. Bruce's whole post and not just that
one sentence) and ponder it. I don't like a word of what he has to
say, yet I have to concur with every one.


Joe
Bob Roman
2005-06-05 14:23:28 UTC
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If you owned a multi-million dollar radio station, what would you do,
lose money so that you could play what you personally felt was better
music?
How much money do I have in this imaginary world?

Bob Roman
Lester Feldman
2005-06-05 04:58:23 UTC
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i reside in upstate ny but travel to the city. always tuned in CBS FM as
soon as i crossed the tappen zee bridge. especially liked cuzin brucie
sat. night oldies show. also liked holly levis all night show. do you
mean to say CBS FM has abandoned their oldies format??? i too tune in KB
1520 sometimes at night. looks like their audience might get a little
bigger.
Post by robert casey
This was an oldies station for 33 years, playing 50s to 70s
music (though lately mostly 70s). They also had jocks
who used to DJ at WABC. Now it changed to
"Jack FM" playing some 80s and current crap. I like 80s
but hate the current stuff.
Looks like I'll be listening to "Kool 967" from southwest
CT. Or WKBW Buffalo at nights.
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