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Jackie Ross - Selfish One.
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x***@earthlink.net
2005-12-21 14:08:24 UTC
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Was listening to an old broadcast where it was said Selfish One was
sung by MR. Jackie Ross.. I always assumed Ross was a she. Was Ross a
he or a she. OTOH I always thought the singer of Wonderful Dream
(Majors) was a woman, too.

dkp
w***@yahoo.com
2005-12-21 14:33:18 UTC
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According to Joel Whitburn's Top Pop Singles book (A \\a Billboard
reference tome) it says: "Sang gospel on HER parents' radio show at age
three."

Also, she looks pretty female here:
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Muggy
2005-12-21 16:54:28 UTC
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It's a female and one of my favorite records from 1964. It was included
on the Rhino "Beg, Scream and Shout box. Not sure if it's still in
print, but search for the song at a CD store site and give it a listen.

Muggy
Muggy
2005-12-21 16:55:00 UTC
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It's a female and one of my favorite records from 1964. It was included
on the Rhino "Beg, Scream and Shout box. Not sure if it's still in
print, but search for the song at a CD store site and give it a listen.

Muggy
y***@yahoo.com
2005-12-21 18:30:21 UTC
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Post by x***@earthlink.net
Was listening to an old broadcast where it was said Selfish One was
sung by MR. Jackie Ross.. I always assumed Ross was a she. Was Ross a
he or a she. OTOH I always thought the singer of Wonderful Dream
(Majors) was a woman, too.
dkp
Jackie Ross, the person, I don't begrudge attempting fame and/or
fortune.

For those behind her, songwriters, A&R men, record producers, label
execs...etc., I do have a declamation or two: This is a dead-on
attempt to market a Mary Wells' sound-alike, music-production values
and all, for their own purpo$e$, but I prefer the original, thank-you.
And Smokey Robinson was a better songwriter, whose lyrical couplets
were never as clumsy for the singer to attempt to get over as with
"..no, you're not selfish" (etc. etc.).

The writers and producers certainly stood up and took notice of "My
Guy", which hinted at the very beginning of copping a few notes to
Canadian Sunset in the opening bar. "Selfish One" lingers at LOT
longer on 1940's standard "Tenderly" at its opening; and I'm sure My
Guy gave them the idea for this. I suppose imitation is the greatest
form of flattery but this is going overboard.

While not a bad song, I don't need it, nor do you, as long as you have
some collection or equivalent to The Ultimate Mary Wells, unless you
want EVERY 3 stars out of 5 Soul record in your collection.

-L.I.
w***@yahoo.com
2005-12-21 19:39:39 UTC
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I think one of the problems of listening to music is people's fixations
on "stars," not realizing that a lot of people made great records.
That said, I'll agree that "Selfish One" has flaws (mostly in song
structure) but I think it's actually better than a lot of Mary Wells'
"Best of," notably "Laughing Boy" and "You Lost tjhe Sweetest Boy."

Also, imitation Motown can often be great: I think Tina Britt's "The
Real Thing" actually hold up better than "Heat Wave," which it copied.
Then there's "The 81"...
w***@yahoo.com
2005-12-21 19:41:00 UTC
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I'll agree that "Selfish One" has flaws (mostly in song
structure) but I think it's actually better than a lot of Mary Wells'
"Best of," notably "Laughing Boy" and "You Lost tjhe Sweetest Boy."

Also, imitation Motown can often be great: I think Tina Britt's "The
Real Thing" actually hold up better than "Heat Wave," which it copied.
Then there's "The 81"...
y***@yahoo.com
2005-12-21 20:04:05 UTC
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Post by w***@yahoo.com
I'll agree that "Selfish One" has flaws (mostly in song
structure) but I think it's actually better than a lot of Mary Wells'
"Best of," notably "Laughing Boy" and "You Lost tjhe Sweetest Boy."
No way, in either case. But especially for one side of a 2-sided hit,
Holland-Dozier-Holland's "You've Lost The Sweetest Boy", which kicks
some ass. Not an apt comparison either, as this is more a rave-up
than a ballad, so it's almost apples and oranges, but YLTSB is better
as a raver than SO is as a ballad. Selfish One, for example, holds no
water next to "Two Lovers", loved enough to be oldie-ized in Philly.
That's a clearly better song. Laughing Boy is good, too. Maybe
Selfish One is better than that, but that's one her weaker singles,
although it wasn't weak, only in relation to Wells' strongest stuff was
it weaker.
Post by w***@yahoo.com
Also, imitation Motown can often be great: I think Tina Britt's "The
Real Thing" actually hold up better than "Heat Wave," which it copied.
Then there's "The 81"...
The 81 by Candy & The Kisses is really the equivalent of "In My Lonely
Room" (put both on for a listen comparison) , and though a rip-off,
it's a very good rip-off, better in its
imitation-is-the-sincerest-form-of-flattery than "Selfish One" attempts
to ride the stylistic coat-tails of "My Guy". And while both "In My
Lonely Room" and "The 81" (a HUGE record in Philly) a great records,
they are not in the same league as the awesome Heat Wave, probably the
most played Soul oldie in Philly this side of "Respect" or "I Can't
Help Myself", and kind of a theme for area dances - then, everywhere -
and now, wherever Soul oldies are played (Bob Pantono, Jerry Blavat,
WDAS appearances, etc.). Never heard of Tina Britt or her record.

-Larry Ingersoll
w***@yahoo.com
2005-12-21 20:13:04 UTC
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I don't buy your line of thinking about something being a "better
song." There is no way to quantify that. There are records by Public
Image Limited from the 1980s that are atonal noise, but they appeal to
me. Awful can be great and mediocre can be fascinating. And
popularity is no guarantee that something is good -- if so, place
Celine Dion at the top of the heap!!
y***@yahoo.com
2005-12-21 20:58:33 UTC
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Post by w***@yahoo.com
I don't buy your line of thinking about something being a "better
song." There is no way to quantify that. There are records by Public
Image Limited from the 1980s that are atonal noise, but they appeal to
me. Awful can be great and mediocre can be fascinating. And
popularity is no guarantee that something is good -- if so, place
Celine Dion at the top of the heap!!
Although not many people have taken advantage and voted there,
currently,
"Take Me In Your Arms" is so far netting a 4 1/2 -star rating (scale of
1 to 5) at
RateItAll.com site where I have or will soon have 555 great Soul
records

http://www.rateitall.com/topic.aspx?OrderBy=&gender=B&Age=0&TopicID=20768&show=all

Yes, I know, there's no accounting for taste. Some guy among the
public or consumer contributers at Amazon.com rate "Her Satanic
Majesty's Request" as the best Stones album, I pointed out a couple of
years ago. Here:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/richpub/listmania/fullview/3Q4C50RPOQOM/104-6331357-7884725?%5Fencoding=UTF8

But I think you can begin to look at aggregates of opinions, or
individual ones sourced from many corners, and especially if you take
Soul music lovers, especially the ones for whom it is important to have
dozens if not more Soul/R&B cds in their collections (or 100's of 45's
back in the day), and you'll find some pretty high opinions of
recordings like Take Me In Your Arms or You'll Lose The Sweetest Boy.
Certainly, they're not in the same league as "Respect" by Aretha, or
"My Girl" by The Tempts, but in the same way
many doo-wop fans will think really highly of many not very famous
doo-wop recordings, there are many under-appreciated and overlooked
Soul records.

-L.I.
Mike G
2005-12-21 21:07:56 UTC
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Post by y***@yahoo.com
Yes, I know, there's no accounting for taste. Some guy among the
public or consumer contributers at Amazon.com rate "Her Satanic
Majesty's Request" as the best Stones album, I pointed out a couple of
http://www.amazon.com/gp/richpub/listmania/fullview/3Q4C50RPOQOM/104-6331357-7
884725?%5Fencoding=UTF8
It's not all that rare a view, though I don't agree with it at
all. TSMR is an album with qualities very distinct from other
Stones albums, so if you happen to FAVOR those qualities, you're
going to pick it. Pure pop fans who resist music with a blues
element often name Satanic as their favorite Stones album.
Gary Myers
2005-12-21 23:02:20 UTC
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Post by x***@earthlink.net
Was listening to an old broadcast where it was said Selfish One was
sung by MR. Jackie Ross.. <<
Shows you what some announcers know. I once heard a Lennon Sisters song
announced as by the Lemon Brothers!

gem
Uni
2005-12-22 05:09:04 UTC
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Post by x***@earthlink.net
Was listening to an old broadcast where it was said Selfish One was
sung by MR. Jackie Ross.. I always assumed Ross was a she. Was Ross a
he or a she. OTOH I always thought the singer of Wonderful Dream
(Majors) was a woman, too.
Selfish One? Not sure I heard of it, but I have, The Majors!

Uni
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dkp
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